<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: TFT 102 &#8211; PRECIOUS / FANTASTIC MR. FOX</title> <atom:link href="http://thefilmtalk.com/2009/11/28/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 13:13:51 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: TFT 105 &#8211; AVATAR with Glenn Kenny and Armond White &#124; The Film Talk - Movie Review Podcast</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-19638</link> <dc:creator>TFT 105 &#8211; AVATAR with Glenn Kenny and Armond White &#124; The Film Talk - Movie Review Podcast</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-19638</guid> <description>[...] MAN / STAR TREK / THIS IS IT / CRANK 2: HIGH VOLTAGE / NEVELDINE AND TAYLOR / NEXT DAY AIR / PRECIOUS / LEE DANIELS / BELOVED  Related posts:Why Jett and I Have Free Tickets to the MoviesThe Film Talk [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MAN / STAR TREK / THIS IS IT / CRANK 2: HIGH VOLTAGE / NEVELDINE AND TAYLOR / NEXT DAY AIR / PRECIOUS / LEE DANIELS / BELOVED  Related posts:Why Jett and I Have Free Tickets to the MoviesThe Film Talk [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Film Talk &#187; TFT 105 &#8211; AVATAR with Glenn Kenny and Armond White</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3492</link> <dc:creator>The Film Talk &#187; TFT 105 &#8211; AVATAR with Glenn Kenny and Armond White</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3492</guid> <description>[...] MAN / STAR TREK / THIS IS IT / CRANK 2: HIGH VOLTAGE / NEVELDINE AND TAYLOR / NEXT DAY AIR / PRECIOUS / LEE DANIELS / BELOVED   Tell Others About This! These icons link to social bookmarking sites [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MAN / STAR TREK / THIS IS IT / CRANK 2: HIGH VOLTAGE / NEVELDINE AND TAYLOR / NEXT DAY AIR / PRECIOUS / LEE DANIELS / BELOVED   Tell Others About This! These icons link to social bookmarking sites [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: garethhiggins75</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3493</link> <dc:creator>garethhiggins75</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:39:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3493</guid> <description>Thanks for elaborating Web; I&#039;d be interested to hear what therapists and other professionals engaging with questions of severe trauma think of &#039;Precious&#039;, and of course people who are survivors themselves.  I am neither, but have been close enough to trauma and to therapy to share your opinion that &#039;Precious is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse&#039;.  But I imagine that this is very much in the eye of the beholder.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for elaborating Web; I&#39;d be interested to hear what therapists and other professionals engaging with questions of severe trauma think of &#39;Precious&#39;, and of course people who are survivors themselves.  I am neither, but have been close enough to trauma and to therapy to share your opinion that &#39;Precious is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse&#39;.  But I imagine that this is very much in the eye of the beholder.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: garethhiggins75</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3491</link> <dc:creator>garethhiggins75</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3491</guid> <description>Thanks for elaborating Web; I&#039;d be interested to hear what therapists and other professionals engaging with questions of severe trauma think of &#039;Precious&#039;, and of course people who are survivors themselves.  I am neither, but have been close enough to trauma and to therapy to share your opinion that &#039;Precious is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse&#039;.  But I imagine that this is very much in the eye of the beholder.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for elaborating Web; I&#39;d be interested to hear what therapists and other professionals engaging with questions of severe trauma think of &#39;Precious&#39;, and of course people who are survivors themselves.  I am neither, but have been close enough to trauma and to therapy to share your opinion that &#39;Precious is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse&#39;.  But I imagine that this is very much in the eye of the beholder.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Web</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3490</link> <dc:creator>Web</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3490</guid> <description>gareth, thank for for taking the time to write and for seeing past the results of my frustrations with not being heard - those results manifesting as negativity toward Jett. &lt;br&gt;I feel like this is the kind of film, with the help now of Winfrey and Perry, that is going to be jettisoned into some kind of mass product on thousands of screens. Now, I would normally think that is a good thing because I liked and appreciate this film, but the result of that is going to be, once again because of the involvement of Winfrey and Perry, the formation of a general placement of this film into some kind of category (middle American audiences will see it as a &quot;film for blacks&quot;, the art film crowd, those who have yet to form an opinion, will see it as &quot;Oprah-fare&quot;, a sort of &quot;wholesome feel-good film with moral overtones&quot;) and all I am trying to say is that I think this film is not only different from that, but it is actually something &quot;strange&quot; to use the term in the way Harold Bloom uses it- not just new, original and imaginative but off-putting and discombobulating (in a good way). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The discombobulating aspect of this film is very brave. I found myself (a very picky, long-European film loving, little patience for Hollywood-type guy) cringing at certain moments, not necessarily because of the subject matter, but because I was not given what I am conditioned to expect at certain moments in this film. &lt;br&gt;For instance - when she is told her father has AIDs, I felt a strong need to see a close-up of Precious there. I needed to see what was going on in her. Because, to me (even though I reject all things conventional, and would argue with you if you said i was still conditioned like the average movie-goer),to me if a filmmaker wants to &quot;show me&quot; what&#039;s going on inside a person, he gives me a close up and lets the actor do her thing so i can study that persons face. Now, I am not saying there are no close-ups in this film. but in that moment when this news is delivered to her, there is a quick cut to more of that high-energy, happy, party-like fantasy that is going on in her head. So we get to see what is &quot;going on&quot; in this character in that moment. but, for me, it took me some time to settle myself with that. I wanted a close-up and some violins. or, maybe i didn&#039;t WANT it. (because I HATE that stuff) but i guess i am still conditioned to &quot;need it&quot; at such moments. it actually embarrassed me when I realized it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel like there are a lot of moments like that in the film. Strange uses of music and editing and resolutions that set it apart from other Hollywood movies. To me, it would  be a shame if it were considered a hollywood movie. It is strange and powerful in a different way. Life of all kinds is made worthy. even the monster&#039;s. that is rare. and i feel like it just needs to be appreciated or condemned for what it really is. the light-skin issue, the Armand White insanity (which would be a whole lot less bombastic if there were no Winfrey and Perry involved and he suspected it would remain simply a small film made by a dark-skinned gay black man) and the poverty-porn assertion are taking the focus off what this really is. This is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse. rare. &lt;br&gt;thanks for reading.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gareth, thank for for taking the time to write and for seeing past the results of my frustrations with not being heard &#8211; those results manifesting as negativity toward Jett. <br />I feel like this is the kind of film, with the help now of Winfrey and Perry, that is going to be jettisoned into some kind of mass product on thousands of screens. Now, I would normally think that is a good thing because I liked and appreciate this film, but the result of that is going to be, once again because of the involvement of Winfrey and Perry, the formation of a general placement of this film into some kind of category (middle American audiences will see it as a &#8220;film for blacks&#8221;, the art film crowd, those who have yet to form an opinion, will see it as &#8220;Oprah-fare&#8221;, a sort of &#8220;wholesome feel-good film with moral overtones&#8221;) and all I am trying to say is that I think this film is not only different from that, but it is actually something &#8220;strange&#8221; to use the term in the way Harold Bloom uses it- not just new, original and imaginative but off-putting and discombobulating (in a good way).</p><p>The discombobulating aspect of this film is very brave. I found myself (a very picky, long-European film loving, little patience for Hollywood-type guy) cringing at certain moments, not necessarily because of the subject matter, but because I was not given what I am conditioned to expect at certain moments in this film. <br />For instance &#8211; when she is told her father has AIDs, I felt a strong need to see a close-up of Precious there. I needed to see what was going on in her. Because, to me (even though I reject all things conventional, and would argue with you if you said i was still conditioned like the average movie-goer),to me if a filmmaker wants to &#8220;show me&#8221; what&#39;s going on inside a person, he gives me a close up and lets the actor do her thing so i can study that persons face. Now, I am not saying there are no close-ups in this film. but in that moment when this news is delivered to her, there is a quick cut to more of that high-energy, happy, party-like fantasy that is going on in her head. So we get to see what is &#8220;going on&#8221; in this character in that moment. but, for me, it took me some time to settle myself with that. I wanted a close-up and some violins. or, maybe i didn&#39;t WANT it. (because I HATE that stuff) but i guess i am still conditioned to &#8220;need it&#8221; at such moments. it actually embarrassed me when I realized it.</p><p>I feel like there are a lot of moments like that in the film. Strange uses of music and editing and resolutions that set it apart from other Hollywood movies. To me, it would  be a shame if it were considered a hollywood movie. It is strange and powerful in a different way. Life of all kinds is made worthy. even the monster&#39;s. that is rare. and i feel like it just needs to be appreciated or condemned for what it really is. the light-skin issue, the Armand White insanity (which would be a whole lot less bombastic if there were no Winfrey and Perry involved and he suspected it would remain simply a small film made by a dark-skinned gay black man) and the poverty-porn assertion are taking the focus off what this really is. This is a very unique film that has a certain power that it does not abuse. rare. <br />thanks for reading.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eric</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3489</link> <dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3489</guid> <description>I enjoyed Rushmore, but for me, Tenenbaums is easily Anderson&#039;s best film.  This may sound crazy to some but I feel it&#039;s a genuine masterpiece (and I don&#039;t throw that word around too often).  It&#039;s brilliantly designed, the characterizations are strikingly fleshed out, the timing and rhythm of events are pitch perfect and it&#039;s got a stirring undercurrent of honesty, sincerity and humanity.  It&#039;s as close to perfect as anything I&#039;ve seen in the last decade.  Not to mention it features Gene Hackman&#039;s greatest performance!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed Rushmore, but for me, Tenenbaums is easily Anderson&#39;s best film.  This may sound crazy to some but I feel it&#39;s a genuine masterpiece (and I don&#39;t throw that word around too often).  It&#39;s brilliantly designed, the characterizations are strikingly fleshed out, the timing and rhythm of events are pitch perfect and it&#39;s got a stirring undercurrent of honesty, sincerity and humanity.  It&#39;s as close to perfect as anything I&#39;ve seen in the last decade.  Not to mention it features Gene Hackman&#39;s greatest performance!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: garethhiggins75</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3488</link> <dc:creator>garethhiggins75</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:25:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3488</guid> <description>Hi Web &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find your last comment fascinating - you begin by acknowledging that you set a negative tone for the conversation, and that this is what you feel is preventing Jett from responding directly to your question; and then in the next paragraph you say that he&#039;s full of crap.  I don&#039;t want us to keep going back and forth over this, and I&#039;m not going to speak for Jett, so can I suggest we just move on from the negativity, and talk about the film?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your initial comment helped me understand what it was I was trying to communicate on the show about the trauma flashback scenes in &#039;Precious&#039; - I think you&#039;re absolutely right: when I say &#039;how it&#039;s shot&#039; I&#039;m saying something far broader than the literal interpretation of that statement; I&#039;m not talking specifically about cameras or lenses - more a sense of how the piece contrasts with the rest of the style of the film, how it represents the hyper-real experience of traumatic memories.  Jett is far more qualified to speak to the technical production realities of &#039;how it&#039;s shot&#039;; and so it&#039;s possible that he mistook what I was saying.  But I still imagine he would disagree with me about how the scenes feel; and that&#039;s just fine - part of why we do the show is to allow a deeper truth to arise in the midst of a creative conflict.  But I&#039;m grateful that you brought the point up because it left me surer of my own view that these scenes are extremely effective and powerfully done; in a way that mimics the experience that some people actually do have when they&#039;re remembering their own trauma.  Your point about how Precious contrasts with more typical melodrama is, I think, worth exploring.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d really like us to move on from the negativity and have you as a welcome commenter on the site - so if I may ask you a question: when you say that you think Precious is in danger of being taken for something that it&#039;s not, what do you mean?  I&#039;m genuinely intrigued.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Web</p><p>I find your last comment fascinating &#8211; you begin by acknowledging that you set a negative tone for the conversation, and that this is what you feel is preventing Jett from responding directly to your question; and then in the next paragraph you say that he&#39;s full of crap.  I don&#39;t want us to keep going back and forth over this, and I&#39;m not going to speak for Jett, so can I suggest we just move on from the negativity, and talk about the film?</p><p>Your initial comment helped me understand what it was I was trying to communicate on the show about the trauma flashback scenes in &#39;Precious&#39; &#8211; I think you&#39;re absolutely right: when I say &#39;how it&#39;s shot&#39; I&#39;m saying something far broader than the literal interpretation of that statement; I&#39;m not talking specifically about cameras or lenses &#8211; more a sense of how the piece contrasts with the rest of the style of the film, how it represents the hyper-real experience of traumatic memories.  Jett is far more qualified to speak to the technical production realities of &#39;how it&#39;s shot&#39;; and so it&#39;s possible that he mistook what I was saying.  But I still imagine he would disagree with me about how the scenes feel; and that&#39;s just fine &#8211; part of why we do the show is to allow a deeper truth to arise in the midst of a creative conflict.  But I&#39;m grateful that you brought the point up because it left me surer of my own view that these scenes are extremely effective and powerfully done; in a way that mimics the experience that some people actually do have when they&#39;re remembering their own trauma.  Your point about how Precious contrasts with more typical melodrama is, I think, worth exploring.</p><p>I&#39;d really like us to move on from the negativity and have you as a welcome commenter on the site &#8211; so if I may ask you a question: when you say that you think Precious is in danger of being taken for something that it&#39;s not, what do you mean?  I&#39;m genuinely intrigued.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: StanleyRumm</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3486</link> <dc:creator>StanleyRumm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:34:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3486</guid> <description>I agree with Jett&#039;s &quot;problem&quot; with Wes Anderson movies, but I wouldn&#039;t include Rushmore. As Gareth pointed out, Rushmore features the single non-upper-middleclass protagonist (excluding Bottle Rocket) and to my mind is his best to date. Rushmore is about a spoilt and precious little boy who believes the world is as it is in his own head -and for some reason everyone around him kind of humours this notion. He writes awful plays that people actually go to see -and appreciate, it seems. It&#039;s hilarious in its blinkered non-view of anything outside the gates of Max&#039;s mind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problems, for me, began with The Tenembaums... Rich family is a shadow of its former-self. Boo and hoo. I&#039;ve seen it a few times now though and I actually quite like it within the confines of its own little existence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Life Aquatic for me is an adventure movie about &quot;anything other than the real world&quot;, told in a nerdy way. It never quite captured me, but I can see how people can view it as an &quot;escape&quot;. In fact, my own book Ooyay (now available on free download on my site), shares some of this notion -ie. travel the world with a one-track-plan without ever acknowledging the possibility that maybe the world is not quite like this... which (if done right) can lead one to view one&#039;s own existence anew -perhaps opening one to the possibility that the world itself can, a lot of the time, be an environment of their own construction -for better or worse.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Darjeeling is a meandering mess, which appears to be the point of what the characters are discovering about India, but didn&#039;t particularly appeal to me. It did remind me a lot of Jean Renoir&#039;s The River, but I didn&#039;t like that either.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love the look and feel of _all_ of his films, but to my mind he should snap out of perhaps his natural &#039;nerdy&#039; view of the micro-world and attempt to make something less overtly child-like-self-conscious (and I don&#039;t mean that in a critical way -it&#039;s charming when done once, but grates eventually).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jett&#39;s &#8220;problem&#8221; with Wes Anderson movies, but I wouldn&#39;t include Rushmore. As Gareth pointed out, Rushmore features the single non-upper-middleclass protagonist (excluding Bottle Rocket) and to my mind is his best to date. Rushmore is about a spoilt and precious little boy who believes the world is as it is in his own head -and for some reason everyone around him kind of humours this notion. He writes awful plays that people actually go to see -and appreciate, it seems. It&#39;s hilarious in its blinkered non-view of anything outside the gates of Max&#39;s mind.</p><p>The problems, for me, began with The Tenembaums&#8230; Rich family is a shadow of its former-self. Boo and hoo. I&#39;ve seen it a few times now though and I actually quite like it within the confines of its own little existence.</p><p>The Life Aquatic for me is an adventure movie about &#8220;anything other than the real world&#8221;, told in a nerdy way. It never quite captured me, but I can see how people can view it as an &#8220;escape&#8221;. In fact, my own book Ooyay (now available on free download on my site), shares some of this notion -ie. travel the world with a one-track-plan without ever acknowledging the possibility that maybe the world is not quite like this&#8230; which (if done right) can lead one to view one&#39;s own existence anew -perhaps opening one to the possibility that the world itself can, a lot of the time, be an environment of their own construction -for better or worse.</p><p>Darjeeling is a meandering mess, which appears to be the point of what the characters are discovering about India, but didn&#39;t particularly appeal to me. It did remind me a lot of Jean Renoir&#39;s The River, but I didn&#39;t like that either.</p><p>I love the look and feel of _all_ of his films, but to my mind he should snap out of perhaps his natural &#39;nerdy&#39; view of the micro-world and attempt to make something less overtly child-like-self-conscious (and I don&#39;t mean that in a critical way -it&#39;s charming when done once, but grates eventually).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: StanleyRumm</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3487</link> <dc:creator>StanleyRumm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3487</guid> <description>I agree with you Web -your approach was all wrong and only caused an obstacle to anyone trying to address your issues. In fact, I can&#039;t remember what they were. Maybe you should try going outside, counting to 10, then come in again to calmly state your points as succinctly as you can. &lt;br&gt;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Web -your approach was all wrong and only caused an obstacle to anyone trying to address your issues. In fact, I can&#39;t remember what they were. Maybe you should try going outside, counting to 10, then come in again to calmly state your points as succinctly as you can. <br />?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Web</title><link>http://thefilmtalk.com/blog/precious-fantastic-mr-fox-podcast-review/#comment-3485</link> <dc:creator>Web</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thefilmtalk.com/?p=5238#comment-3485</guid> <description>CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE CHIME IN HERE!!!!! am i really JUST being an ass or am i trying to get at the heart of something here? this is not &quot;transformers 2&quot; this is a serious movie that just got dissed by the NBR and needs to get fair attention. &lt;br&gt;Once again, you&#039;re spending a lot of time and words defending yourself and not your ideas. I was wrong for setting the tone of this exchange. It is a tone that prevents you from addressing the questions/issues i have with your comments and from taking me serious, and it is a tone that makes you think i am an ass and/or a troll. &lt;br&gt;if you look back at the first reply i wrote, I said you had a valid point about &quot;Seconds&quot;. would a troll do that? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I think you&#039;re full of crap. and i am not being very polite about it, but the best way to shut me up is to just explain your self instead of saying for the 4th time that you are an experienced director and that I have &quot;embarrassed&quot; myself. I asked you valid questions that are about what YOU wrote. and i guess you are not going to answer them. is clearing up what you mean for me really going to &quot;feed&quot; me? I am not being an ass just to be an ass. really.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE CHIME IN HERE!!!!! am i really JUST being an ass or am i trying to get at the heart of something here? this is not &#8220;transformers 2&#8243; this is a serious movie that just got dissed by the NBR and needs to get fair attention. <br />Once again, you&#39;re spending a lot of time and words defending yourself and not your ideas. I was wrong for setting the tone of this exchange. It is a tone that prevents you from addressing the questions/issues i have with your comments and from taking me serious, and it is a tone that makes you think i am an ass and/or a troll. <br />if you look back at the first reply i wrote, I said you had a valid point about &#8220;Seconds&#8221;. would a troll do that?</p><p>Yes, I think you&#39;re full of crap. and i am not being very polite about it, but the best way to shut me up is to just explain your self instead of saying for the 4th time that you are an experienced director and that I have &#8220;embarrassed&#8221; myself. I asked you valid questions that are about what YOU wrote. and i guess you are not going to answer them. is clearing up what you mean for me really going to &#8220;feed&#8221; me? I am not being an ass just to be an ass. really.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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